go ahead and attempt to argue semantics...
Please do read your own words again....They are right above this post.
Dispite you clever editing to try to make it appear like I said what you are trying to argue, this is the whole quote of what I said. The part you left out, which is the operative part of the sentence has been bolded
And that you recruit all these smaller alliances around us to attack before you do, then the next day, after your "allies" have wiped all their troops on our defenses, you then start attacking us....is rather poor form. Would be nice to see you guys fight your own fight, not just reap the spoils of other alliances efforts
And Tanuki is correct, I was referring to you getting Head Hunters to attack us for a whole day before you sent an attack, and imagine how surprised they were to find out MI wasn't attacking
I didn't say we lost cities because other alliances were attacking us, I said you're not willing to take us on yourselves, and you recruit other alliances in the area to attack us first, lie to them, and then attack a day later, instead of attacking simultaneously like you tell them you are. Lep already said why he lost cities, which is what we've told him, and I think we all know that the only reason you got so many cities is because so many of us were in VM at one time. He learned the lesson, we've brushed it off and are moving forward...but you're still trying to get everyone you can to attack us, and not doing it yourself until after the cities are already clear. THAT was my point. Get some troops, stop simming, clear a city yourself, and stop using other alliances to try to do it for you
And how do you go from this, which is your first comment about Tloh:
TNE recruited a pair of refugees from ELT, and actually you attempted to bargain with us to drop the AoD merge and offer these people up.
To this when I said he shouldn't be up for discussion because he's now in MI:
You guys booted him, because he didnt like the TNE/NR merge and said so.... omg heaven forbid.... So you if ya'll boot him and then dont attack him he is a refugee? Nice logic...
I never said he was a refugee when you took him in, you are the one who said he's a refugee and implied him being in TNE/NR is why we're at war, my response was that it's not something to bring up since he's now in your alliance. And for the record Tloh was booted because he supported a MI city while in NR, and killed a NR CS, was labled a spy for MI, which he'd basically admitted to in our skype room, and was then booted.
Thats right you never tried to bargain, because you never really had any intention of anything but just buying time to merge on the first part (otherwise known as being the following: dishonest, misleading, lying).
I did try to bargin, you guys kept breaking your word. Maybe someone who was actually involved in talks, like JoNuff or Lorax, instead of someone with 3rd hand info should comment, because you clearly don't have the facts. And I didn't need to buy time to merge with NR. The great miscalculation most people made in this world was to not know my relationship with NR. I could have merged TNE with NR at anytime a month prior, or a month after I did, or 6 months from now. After the 3rd time MI went back on their word durring negotiations, I went to Muwa, said I'm ready to merge now, he said OK, and we did the next day. It was that simple and no reason to try to buy time. MI being liars merely pushed my hand into it happening sooner rather than later.
As for the second part you want to call people liars when you are one yourself, NR most certainly attacked first after you merged up October 13th ring any bells, perhaps 009 Stadt der Hunde?
I have no idea what you're talking about here. I said we attacked first. I said we'd been attacking you guys for well over a month as TNE and taking cities from all our refugees you kept taking in your alliances. Stadt der Hunde wasn't the first city we took from you guys. What I did say was TNE merging into NR is not the reason we're fighting now. It just took you guys that long to attack back. We took 10 - 15 cities from you (MI/UKE) prior to merging with NR. I even had a contest up in the TNE forum to see who could attack the most MI/UKE members before getting attacked, and another contest to see who could get attacked by MI/UKE first.
This is the comment of yours I was referring to:
Then you as part of NR attacked us prior to us being part of the coalition, which basically put us down on the anti NR side.
Again, we'd been attacking you long before that, and you tried getting us to agree to join you in fighting against NR during negotiations
The only people who were attacked was the refugees and only in 053 our core, who we were already attacking when you grabbed them.... wow I myself am blonde but at least I do not have a selective memory.
That is a flat out lie. The whole issue and reason talks with MI broke down was because you kept attacking Popeye and Tloh in O64. I said you could attack them in O53 all you wanted, and that we weren't going to defend in 53. But you guys ran, not 1, not 2, but 3 separate Ops against them in O64. The first 2 times I was placated by being told it was a miscommunication, and then that some people are just doing what they want but it wasn't sanctioned by leadership. When it happened the 3rd time, I labeled your group a bunch of liars and decided to merge with NR. You were attacking TNE cities, cities that had been mine and other TNE members that we'd handed off, in O64. THAT is the main reason negotiations stopped. And it was then, at that point, I'd decided to merge TNE into NR, because I simply didn't have time for all the nonsensical diplo stuff.
its amazing that you cant remember your own actions or what you said, honestly I gotta wonder what is it you hoped to accomplish?
I can remember everything perfectly fine. The problem here, is that you were not actually involved personally in anything or any conversation that happened. You are giving 3rd or 4th hand info, are missing vital pieces of info, and trying to connect dots that simply don't have anything to do with each other. You're just out of the loop more than you knew, and so instead of admitting that, you try to call me a liar, instead of simply accepting you were never given all the information.
I'm now going to take some wise advise I was once given....never argue with a crazy person or a liar, on lookers my not be able to tell the difference...thanks for reminding my why I don't come to the forum
Oh, and one last edit: I took Stadt der Haunde on Oct 19th, and TNE merged into NR on Oct 23rd....I actually took 4 cities at once from you guys that day. And it was the next day after that, negotiations with MI started