This is how this has played out in simple terms. (maybe long words hurt head too much... ouchy)
-SI(et all) go to war with Jugg
-DI/TSC stay out of it
-We side with PL for support for it was as Ski put it an advantage of numbers
-PL who assisted us is at war with DI (who hung us out to dry)
-We drop the pact as there is nothing coming or going from each side, but give them a 48 reprieve.
-Some Vanguard players join Jugg. DI lays waste to these JUGG cities 3 of them to be exact (asked AA if this was an act of war off the first revolt, he said let it be it was probably a mistake... then 2 more revolts are lit up after MANY MANY attacks) <<<< this gentleman is first blood this
IS an
ACT of WAR!
-So they want to hit our members in the south we retaliate in the north (and we are the bad people... they struck first?)
-PL hits DI and TSC hard. SI can not defend cuz they are too busy trying to colonize cities and then D them with 15k troops and 2k biremes each <<<< roflcopters galore!!!!
-SI abandons DI, but as was stated none asked to join SI they asked to join Jugg (that is saying something)
*Now what are you going to say Rob? We WERE attacked first. We were abandoned when it was time for support. What did DI deserve from us? Oh but you did not know all this or maybe you did and choose to tell a version that shines your alliance into a better light and tries to damn ours. Well buddy you are a dollar short on this again. Just like you all were in actually conquering a city this last OP.
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Now Enas... you just can't be that easy. So let's analyze your "simple terms":
- SI did not start the war, but Juggs did as the mass-mail sent by Arjaa shows. Of course, SI had the intention to start a preemptive war on Juggs based on the too many transgressions and because of too many info we had that Juggs were preparing to attack SI. But in the end Juggs started to attack SI based on some intel they got from a spy. If what Juggs did was honorable, it would have been equally honorable for SI to do the same. Fact is that not SI, but Juggs started to attack and initiated the war. The rest, indeed, is only a matter of interpretation;
- DI, being pacted with both Juggs and SI choose to stay neutral in this war. We both agree on this one, it is an undisputed fact.
- Juggs approached PL for a pact and got it. Another undisputed fact. As part of this deal, and here we are indeed talking about an interpretation shared both by DI and SI, Juggs dropped the pact with DI, preparing to attack them in 48 hours. In our view, Juggs sold DI to Poles. But as I stated, this is only our view and quite frankly an interpretation, not an undisputed fact.
- The Juggs did drop the pact with DI, another undisputed fact. Same day though, Juggs recruited some Vanguard players that were under attack by DI. According to any interpretation, these were refugees from DI, hence by Grepolis tradition they were legitimate targets for 48 hours. But Juggs choose to use this as a pretext for war. Fact is that DI attacked only those Vanguard refugees and for less than 48 hours, hence their attacks on them was not an act of war on Juggs by Grepolis tradition. It was an act of war only because Juggs wanted to see it such... Of course, one could think that Juggs recruited those Vanguard players knowing they are under attack by DI exactly because they wanted a reason to declare war on DI... but hey, some people are just mean, you know...
- PL did hit DI hard and SI offered as much assistance as it could. I already stated that one can only help those that can help themselves. SI sent defense only when and if there was enough intel about the status of the revolted cities. Now it is very interesting that you are accusing SI for not supporting DI with enough defense but you find it quite honorable that Juggs ended the pact with DI because DI was not supporting Juggs with defense against SI, though Juggs very well know that DI was in no position to support anyone because their war with PL. At least SI is trying to support its ally. Juggs preferred to cancel its pact and to attack its former ally. A matter of interpretation, of course
- now this one is really funny. Check the islands in north 55 and you will find lots of Juggs newly formed colonies stacked with defense. So in your opinion this is an admirable tactic for the Juggs but it sucks if SI is using it... lol, quite unbiased you are indeed.
- SI did not abandon DI. Their leaders know very well what SI can do for them and now it's only a matter of option what they will chose to do.
So Enas, I am going to say this: you were not attacked first, you were not abandoned rather you chose to play the victim and DI did not deserve to be attacked by you. Of course, being a war game this is completely acceptable but you are trying to claim it's absolutely honorable too. Well, it is not.
PS: I am no short on any dollar. I did take my target in the last operation so you are quite mistaken here. Of course, my target ghosted before my CS got there. Hmmm.... I wonder why he did it cause I see he didn't quit for good. He is still member of your sister alliance and he built his new city to over 1k points... There are two explanations possible here but this is an entirely different story. Fact is that I took the city I was after so I am not short on anything. The rest is again only a matter of interpretation...
Cheers Enas